Eagan, Apple Valley Men Named in Boy Scouts' 'Perversion Files'

Recently released records show two Dakota County men were listed in the Boy Scouts' confidential "perversion files," which barred them from volunteering with the Scouts.


An Eagan man and an Apple Valley man were, in the 1980s, listed by the Boy Scouts of America in a confidential file, dubbed the "perversion files," for being connected to allegations of sexual abuse and homosexuality.

The files were released Thursday by order of the Oregon Supreme Court. They were used as evidence in a 2010 lawsuit against the Scouts in a molestation case that resulted in a jury awarding $20 million to a man molested by an assistant scoutmaster in the 1980s.

The files include the names of more than 1,200 people from across the country, including 23 from Minnesota, whom the Boy Scouts suspected might be child abusers.

Because many of the men listed in the "perversion files" have not been charged or convicted of crimes, some media outlets, including the Boston Globe, have refrained from naming them without further investigating the allegations.

The files are publicly available, and you can find them here.

Scoutmaster Suspended After Conviction

In the Eagan case, which dates back to 1983, a 51-year-old man named Robert Gilbert pleaded guilty to a second-degree sexual abuse charge and served a reduced sentence of six months in a workhouse program and five years of probation, condition on continuous treatment and counseling. At the time, Gilbert held the position of Scoutmaster for Troop 593.

Gilbert, described in the files as having a "bushy mustache" and dark brown and gray hair, was apparently added to the Boy Scouts' confidential files in 1984, and was suspended from Scouting following his conviction. In a meeting with Boy Scout officials in 1984, Gilbert was allegedly advised not to return to Scouting following his probation and treatment, despite his apparent interest in once again taking an active role in the organization.

In a memo, one Scouting official wrote: "I explained to Mr. Gilbert that in cases such as his, our process for removal is quite clear and because we project positive role models for youth, that his offense made his involvement in Scouting impossible at this time.

11 Counts of Criminal Sexual Conduct

In 1982, a man from Apple Valley working as a volunteer counselor for Boy Scout Post 499 was charged with sexually assaulting at least four boys, ages 12 to 14.

Police said the man, then 47-year-old Floyd Pietz, assaulted the boys during camping and fishing trips to Fort Snelling State Park and Crystal Lake in Burnsville. At the time of the charges, Pietz was registered as a unit commissioner for the Boy Scouts' Indianhead Council.

Documents in Pietz's file mention that he loved working with Scouts and adults, and made diamond willow walking sticks as a hobby.

Pietz was allegedly notified that he was suspended from Scouting prior to the filing of formal charges, according to documents released by the Boy Scouts. The file mentions that Pietz was sentenced to three years of treatment at the state hospital in St. Peter on April 8, 1983.

Paul October 20, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Boy Scouts of America was ahead of the game. It properly barred homosexual predators from leadership positions at a time when everybody else was clammoring for "rehabilitation" with all the modern psychoanalytical tools modern life and modern science brought. Funny, in a sick way: if the Catholic Church had also gone down the traditional path of keeping sinners apart from the "occasion of sin" then the sex-abuse scandal wouldn't have happened. Guess traditional understandings, based in thousands of years of knowing human behavior, is usually right, after all.
Chris October 22, 2012 at 01:42 PM
I think it is important to mention that not all predators are homosexuals, and not all homosexuals are predators. While banning and reporting predators is applauded, banning a person because of sexual orientation is wrong. I will continue to support the BSA, but not their policy on gays.
Stephanie Fox October 23, 2012 at 12:49 AM
Most predators of young boys are not homosexual. They have no interest in other men. They like children. They are child abusers; this is an entirely different thing. There is no connection of one to the other. Shame on those who make this claim even though they know the difference.
Val Laehn October 26, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Paul, have you ever done any research on who pedaphiles really are? Does Jerry Sandusky ring a bell? All research indicates that most pedaphiles are straight, married men, many with children of their own. Isn't it interesting that the BSA are continuing to allow these folks into their fold as leaders. Maybe all married men should be barred from leadership positions.
Paul November 11, 2012 at 01:08 AM
We're talking molesters who seek victims within the Boy Scouts. Can we stay on topic, instead of obfuscating with irrelevant generalities? How many pedophiles who molest young boys, using an all-male organization as their access, also molest young girls? None? Even one? A difference which makes no difference is no difference. A man who goes for young boys is hardly different from a man who goes for other men; no difference except that the one who goes for young boys seeks a helpless victim instead of a partner. But there is no difference in the homosexuality of it all. Why can we not just call a spade a spade, instead of trying to parse out meaning where none is?
Paul November 11, 2012 at 01:14 AM
To knowingly put a person into a tempting situation is inherently evil. BSA organizationally teaches morality, among other life and camping skills. This is vital to determining all policies that must flow, versus optional policies that can flow. Morality taught in Scouting excludes various inherently abnormal and/or abusive behavior, such as murder, theft, environmental destruction, etc ... abnormal behavior includes homosexual BEHAVIOR. Important to remember there's a difference between inclination and behavior. The acceptance of openly homosexual men as some kind of role model for developing boys, is directly counter to what the BSA stands for. It's like demanding a charity accept a known embezzeler as the sole treasurer: you put the person into a tempting situation knowing it's only a matter of time. To knowingly put a person into a temptation is inherently evil.
Paul November 11, 2012 at 01:26 AM
Val, perhaps I know more than you think. First, let's refocus on-topic: we're talking about pedophiles who by definition are homosexuals because they target at least one all-male organization filled with young boys. To the second, and more pertinent point, have you ever done any research on who Boy Scouts are? Does "do a good turn daily" ring a bell? What about "keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight"? And how about "trustworthy, loyal, ... kind ... clean, and reverent"? These keystones of Scouting absolutely militate against ALL who would seek to join Scouting with hidden and nefarious objectives. All research indicates that the Boy Scouts teaches young boys to be decent young men who actively contribute to society. To that end, it uses volunteers to be scoutmasters and other adult male role models for highly impressionable, and vulnerable, teenage boys and pre-teen boys. Isn't it interesting that the BSA excludes felons too, from leadership positions? Isn't it interesting that the BSA excludes arsonists, too, from leadership positions? The issue is the same: do not use as a role model a person who willfully DOES things contrary to Scouting ethics. It's really that simple, and logically inarguable.
Paul November 11, 2012 at 01:35 AM
It's statistical nonsense to state that married men should be barred because (regardless if true) most pedophiles are married men. There are so vastly more married men than there are homosexual men, that it's merely a numbers game. What is important is percentage of occurrence. The percentage of married men who are pedophiles is pathetically small ... except in a few specific small societies in which I have unfortunately spent some time. On the other hand, Val, it is likewise true that homosexuals have a very high percentage of predatory behavior; in large part this is because there are comparatively fewer gay men than married men, such that even a smaller number of predators is actually a vastly higher co-incidence than for married pedophiles. So let's stick with statistics that are actually relevant, shall we?
Paul November 11, 2012 at 01:53 AM
Indeed, not all predators are homosexuals. But it's a matter of probability, just as we prohibit kleptomaniacs from certain situations. This is because "sexual orientation" is a known pedophilia danger signal, except when political correctness overrides reason and puts kids in avoidable danger. Excepting studies doctored by political correctness, and studies that are valueless due to bizarre or shoddy study methodologies, it's a fact of psychology that homosexuals have a far higher incidence of predatory behavior, than the incidence among straight people. The specific application in this situation is narrower still, such that institutional experience backs up psychological knowledge ... This matters because in a scouting organization, close proximity is unavoidable. Parents leave their young boys with adult scout leaders. Parents need to implicitly trust the leaders. Venues of scouts left with scouters, include meetings of 1-2 hours, daylong hikes, and camping situations of 2-8 days, plus travel in leaders' cars. The litmus test is this: do you automatically eliminate known gays from hiring as your own family's daycare or babysitting or transporting, since there are times where that homosexual leader could be alone with your child for hours at a time? Since no caring parent would knowingly put their own children with a high-risk adult, homosexual or not, then we have no logical basis on which to insist Scouting be any less careful with kids entrusted to it.


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